Saturday, January 3, 2009

Atheists as TV Talkers

There is a pointlessness to conversation with atheist activists on television. Atheists do not get much of a platform to begin with, and when they do, there is usually an instant hostility that arises from the interviewer or host. Michael Newdow (fighting to have religious invocations removed from the presidential inauguration) appeared on Neil Cavuto's show, interviewed by guest host Brian Sullivan, and it serves as an excellent example of the uselessness of these kinds of appearances.

Sullivan's entire line of questioning revolves around the "who cares?" argument, insisting that atheists should just "cover their ears." Meanwhile, Newdow is not the most compelling, telegenic presence on TV. Newdow tries to make a comparison between atheists' second class status and that of African-Americans under Jim Crow. Whether you think that comparison is apt or not, rather than helping to make the point, such rhetorical choices usually only serve to induce eye rolls from already condescending interviewers.



Atheists really do need a better slate of television talkers to handle these kinds of interviews. Former American Atheists president Ellen Johnson was capable enough, but she was sometimes easily shaken and American Atheists as an organization carries with it a lot of bogeyman baggage from decades of the O'Hairs and general cultural demonization.

Of the New Atheists, it seems to me that Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett have been the strongest on television, though they are rarely seen there. But both are calm, polite, and unflappable (Harris seems to be incapable of displaying any degree of ire at all). Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, meanwhile, while obviously extremely smart, confident, and articulate, clearly rub a lot of people the wrong way (it is in fact Hitchens' raison d'etre) and I think many television personalities, woefully uninformed, assume they're in for an intellectual beating.

This is less a criticism of less-than-brilliant atheist talkers than it is an acknowledgment of the industry's inability or unwillingness to deal with atheists as a whole. Stereotyped as and dealt with as though they were cranks, party-poopers, or devils, atheists perhaps need to be thinking more about playing their game with more skill.

Anyway, here's Harris on Bill O'Reilly's show in 2004. Just to show how good Harris is, Bill-o doesn't yell at Harris even once.



So far, I can't find any examples of CNN or MSNBC handling the inauguration case on television. If you can point me to some, please do. I'd love to compare the different approaches. My theory is that Fox only covers it as a "look at the weirdos" kind of story.

5 comments:

vjack said...

I think it would also be wise for atheists who are willing to talk on camera to be a bit more selective about where they do it. I mean, there have to be better options that Fox "News."

James said...

Spot on. Harris never fails to impress me. That is the type of performance we consistently need on these types of shows - should we choose to do them.

Paul Fidalgo said...

VJack:

Part of the problem, as I indicated, is that it seems Fox is the only major outlet who deals with atheists, and as I say, usually as what they see as a wacky extreme foil to the more "mainstream" conservative counterpoint. I wonder if CNN/MSNBC are afraid to touch the issue, or just don't see atheists as relevant. Larry King, in his defense, has included atheists in larger panel discussions with other religious figures in the past.

Dofang Birdcell said...

Well put -- something I've been frustrated about for years. The best non-theist talking head I've seen is Lori Lipman Brown of the Secular Coalition; there's a great clip out there in which BillO credits her with being so reasonable.

jimspy said...

Put me down in the same column as Dofang...I've been railing about this for years. One of the reasons I see for the vilification of atheists, and the popularity of preachers, is charisma - lack of it in us, loads of it in them. Look at Ted Haggard before The Fall: always smiling, always smooth, yet always forceful and authoritative. We need someone like that (minus the syrupy "Jesus Loves You" attitude, of course). I think the heads of the various freethought groups - Brights, SCA, AHA, FFRF,etc. - should go on a nationwide search for "The Atheist Talking Head". Sam Harris is a good start, but I didn't see him smile once. We need to appear friendly and approachable, not pompous and assinine like Hitchens, or only slightly comfortable like Harris. This IS a PR game, whether we find that intellectually disdainful or not.

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